there, the possible hacking over here, the possible hacking of phones of families who lost soldiers in afghanistan and iraq, british families, it takes my breath away. >> if indeed the executives are found guilty of involvement in any of these things, what are the sanctions that you could impose on your side of the atlantic? >> right now, many things. there are two laws that come into play. this is a public corporation. they sell shares. if they hid payments, bribery payments, from shareholders, that is a whole other civil penalty. if they hacked into phones without a warrant, that is criminal. the foreign corrupt practices act could be civil or criminal. lots could happen. and the security and exchange commission has the ability to take away the license from a media corporation that breaks the law. it is too soon to say what, where and how. >> is not one criticism, of course, that it would actually sue to the democrats -- suit the democrats greatly if the fox news channel was to become emasculated. >> my goodness. if you break the law in our country, whether you are republican, democrat, liberal,